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Blinkz

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Trait Evader.
« on: November 09, 2015, 00:53 »
Evader doesnt work with bursts? ive made 2 exact near same characters and bursted them with avg minigun and didnt seem to see any difference?

i was hoping to see like 28dmg difference seeing as 10% of avg dmg was 280

and maybe even abit more then 28 when getting lucky but i only ever seen a 10hp difference on ea burst?

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 00:53 »
i was testing evader+hth evade with 1 bullet burst not long ago and it was working propely
didnt tested with more bullets but i believe it works

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2015, 00:58 »
i was testing evader+hth evade with 1 bullet burst not long ago and it was working propely
didnt tested with more bullets but i believe it works

I believe it works with one bullet also, but bursting the whole clip doesnt seem right.

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 10:23 »
Would need devs to look into this who knows how its programmed.

Could be 85% until your first miss in the burst then returns to 95% for all we know.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 10:30 by Blinkz »

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 11:42 »
Did abit of tests. Results were:

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Attacker: Bonus ranged damage [x2], Brusier [1crit chance] Weapon: Avenger Minigun [40 bullets]

Victim: 4/71 normal res + evader:

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• You were hit for 276 hit points.
• You were hit for 285 hit points.
• You were hit for 279 hit points.
• You were hit for 281 hit points.
• You were hit for 296 hit points.
• You were hit for 272 hit points.
• You were hit for 274 hit points.
• You were hit for 263 hit points.
• You were hit for 294 hit points.
           Total dmg 2520

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Attacker: Bonus ranged damage [x2], Brusier [1crit chance] Weapon: Avenger Minigun [40 bullets]

Victim: 4/71 normal res. No evader:

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• You were hit for 285 hit points.
• You were hit for 286 hit points.
• You were hit for 274 hit points.
• You were hit for 273 hit points.
• You were hit for 278 hit points.
• You were hit for 282 hit points.
• You were hit for 279 hit points.
• You were hit for 256 hit points.
• You were hit for 288 hit points.
            Total dmg 2501

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Attacker: Bonus ranged damage [x2], Brusier [1crit chance] Weapon: Avenger Minigun [40 bullets]

Victim: 4/71 normal res + HtH evade:

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• You were hit for 248 hit points.
• You were hit for 275 hit points.
• You were hit for 255 hit points.
• You were hit for 259 hit points.
• You were hit for 279 hit points.
• You were hit for 248 hit points.
• You were hit for 275 hit points.
• You were hit for 269 hit points.
• You were hit for 263 hit points.
           Total dmg 2371

Summary: Evader is same as no evader on 1hex bursts. However HtH evade is changing alot on 1hex bursts, roughly 20dmg removed.

Both work against single shots at range [Have not tested at 1hex with plasma rifle]

Edit: I know devs usually need 100-10000 shots to create an average. But avenger minigun is pretty stable, even small chance to hit removed would change a ton. So I figured 8-10 bursts would be able to give an example for devs/players to notice something is wrong, maybe Dequ can do better tests?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 13:50 by A3 »

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 14:07 »
Looks like evader doesnt stack with hth evede or eveder just not working

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 14:22 »
What about evader+dodger? Or is that the same as hth evade?

Kes

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 14:40 »
I'd be able to do a complete test, but I don't enough supplys to do this. If anyone else is willing, what we need to find out is:

Does a plasma rifle/any aimshot effect evader at 1hex [Requiring 100shots test]
Avenger shooting Evader char at range (On no-crit char [Requiring 100 shots])
Avenger shooting non-evader char at range (On no-crit char [Requiring 100 shots])
[Add up the damage of all shots and place side-by-side]

What about evader+dodger? Or is that the same as hth evade?

Not exactly sure what you mean, but HtH evade is supposed to give what Evader is giving(-10% chance to hit), only with no weapon in any slot. And it's working perfectly. Evader is the problem.

Looks like evader doesnt stack with hth evede or eveder just not working

Evader is not working, if you have HtH evade and Evader on 1 character like I do, only HtH will nerf damage at hex [I have not tested range] I think it's only working for the first bullet on evader.

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 16:34 »
Evader and HtH evade stacks and working ok on single bullet shots, for bursts i need to do more tests to check.
   

   

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2015, 16:57 »
Did a lot of testing awhile ago with 1-shot bursts on a Evader + HtH Evade alt using a few different weapons, they didn't seem to work at all.
Think I did some full bursts with similar results.

Good to know it wasn't intended.
Wasteland is still harsh.
Plasma Rifle is overpowered.
H&K CAWS is overpowered.

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 12:19 »
Did dev's do any further testing with this trait?

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016, 11:32 »
Bump

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2016, 11:56 »
My evader + hth evade character is evading perfectly. Random works funny with it because you can dodge 5-6 in a row and then 30 hits. Big probe and you will see it. Lately I trolled 2 snipers in base, just standing, unkillable. Trait and perk, fast metabolism, enviromental implant, anticrit 30, ranger armor and perk.

They could not kill me for quite long until I got bored and they got pissed. Had live actions with 4 enemies vs me runnin away, flamers involved, got out with 6 hp, but alive. It was glow elevator area so I needed to pass all 4 of them
« Last Edit: February 15, 2016, 12:02 by Bonita »

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2016, 13:28 »
Bump
Need a bit more tests, but looks like i found some small bug.
   

   

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Re: Trait Evader.
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2016, 14:48 »
Will be better? Or nerf?