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Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« on: September 25, 2018, 13:12 »
Did you saw documentary film about Auschwitz?
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And then watch on this map! Its a fucking pizdec.

Here is trains to deliver prizoners, tents to keep them, hangar for guards, fence with barbed wire and, blyad, place for burning dead bodies...
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2018, 13:55 »
I'd say it depends on the intentions of the creator of this map. I'd like to hear what he has to say about it.

I believe that on sensitive subjects like this, where a lot of people died. Even if only one person is offended. It is enough to say that this map is a failure in a way.
Because we are in a video game, and this map is made to have fun/appreciate more this video game. Due to similarities, I think anyone can understand Sega_Rus view.

Also I would like to see stronger rules about people trolling and making allusions about people like Hitler, Bin laden or any mass murderer of that kind.

If in the rules from Rascal we can't tolerate insulting other players (to protect our players from being offended).
I think, for the same reasons, not allowing things like that would not be a luxury whether it may be on forum or ingame.

Personally I don't like to joke about these things at all, but I understand that people may have another sense of humor. But we need to put a limit to that though. It's about finding the right balance.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 13:58 by NarrowMinded »
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2018, 14:27 »
It doesn't look like Auschwitz. I visited auschwitz and it's looked entirely different. BUT THAT DOESN"T MATTER.

If you are getting feeling that depot map looks like gulag does it matter? In current world if you are creator, people can be offended by anything. And let me just remind you. Fonline is post apocaliptic game. Genocide(Enclave), child murder, rapes and stuff like that was basicly part ot if. But you had almost unlimited Freedom because that is lawless world. So you can play as CCCP which in my opinion was fucked up and totaly insane totalitarian sytem, and does it matter if i am offended? No.

That is essential part in fonline, you are free, you are free to be turbo ultra dick or paladin, which you can't be in basicly any other game. So i will defend it with both my hand. Ofcourse, it is about in game freedom not about discord or forum.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 14:44 by gladwin »

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2018, 15:21 »
When you start looking at this game as educational software, look at porn industry in new reno, condoms as item, kid killing, drugs, drugs in shop, drug as important item, stealing!, "racism" to mutants/ghouls, toxic/ swearing community, bloody dead animations, blood, killing, insulting nicknames, ...

OH boy, map ... map is OK, even when someone make hell map with corpses and blood everywhere.

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2018, 15:40 »
Truth is in the eye of beholder. You wanted to see concentration camp so you saw it. For someone else it's might be simillar to something else.
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2018, 17:07 »
When you start looking at this game as educational software, look at porn industry in new reno, condoms as item, kid killing, drugs, drugs in shop, drug as important item, stealing!, "racism" to mutants/ghouls, toxic/ swearing community, bloody dead animations, blood, killing, insulting nicknames, ...

OH boy, map ... map is OK, even when someone make hell map with corpses and blood everywhere.

But that's what makes fallout so great unlike these newer crappier ones

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2018, 18:02 »
Looks like place i been once with train just w/o tents.
Hehe and this song allways play when i w8 train

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2018, 18:24 »
sega rus I hope your post your post is troll

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 18:34 »
Not trolling. When I saw that hole with bones my first impression was with picture Meine Respektrug. But after some minutes I saw other content with no mods and was precipitated.
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2018, 22:37 »
I do not agree with you Gladwin since some things are not allowed by the rules to avoid people getting offended. Even base raping is not allowed, stealing chars is not allowed. There are some forbidden things.

Freedom is something to consider, but if freedom is allowing you to offend other people. This is the limit, and then I am not for this kind of freedom.

The real question is you may be free, but free to do what ? Is it a good thing or a bad thing.

Is this map really a good thing for RP in this game ? Honestly I don't think so, but this whole topic proves that it created problems because it offended one player. As I said earlier, it is a failure in my opinion because it brings more bad things than benefits.

And to answer your question, yes it does matter if you are offended. Some people are more sensitive than others  :( . Especially on subjects like this.

I also feel that you didn't understand well the true message of the developpers of the original game, which shows horrible things to make people aware of the atrocity of war (like you said genocides and such). Not showing horrible things just because they have the freedom to do it. Why do you think Enclave looks like the Army/is the remnants of the army...It even had a political message for those who reason.

PS: I appreciated the fact that you recognized it was about ingame freedom  ;)
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 23:03 by NarrowMinded »
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2018, 23:16 »
Baserape is allowed if it baserape by tag. Ofcourse there are some forbiden action. You can't have no rules at all in game. We insult each other after fights, not always but sometimes, it is normal, it is part of the game if you want to. To annoy your enemies. It is hard to make line there. We just do stuff like that, as raiders, mercs or other bastars we are.

So you are searching for different game. If you are being offended by some bodies and you imagination i don't think it is game for you.
it is Raider base for fuck sake? What do you expect, flowers and rainbows?

I HAVE PROBLEM WITH CCCP AS A FACTION, REMOVE TB NIGGERZ, REMOVE NEW CALIFORNIA CONFEDERACY. I AM OFFENDED.
Do you get my point now? Everyone more or less have problems with something or somebody here. If somebody think that depot is house of stalin himself it is his problem, No creator of the depot. About RP use of this base? Who are you to even judge it? Everyone RP like as they want. This base is something different, something else. Somebody will definitly think about it as his main base, RP base or something else. Don't limit others because you have problem with your sensitivity.

Raiders kill humans, raiders are bad, raiders used to make horribile things, nothing shows it as good as raiders camp even and this particular base.

I will not relate to anything else which you mentioned because it is philosophical stuff which i am not involve myself into

/EDIT, and what have you done? i sound like i am one of raiders xD If you feel offended i apologize, it is not my intention xD
/EDIT2 but actualy i am  ;)

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« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 23:45 by gladwin »

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2018, 00:04 »
You talked about freedom right ? I have freedom to judge the work of the creator of this map. And I never said that the map itself was bad.

And you who are you to say that it's not the creator's problem ? If I would be the creator of this map of course I would consider that it is my problem if some people are offended.
But you know, that's why I started to speak by saying that it depended on creator's intentions.

You know the difference between you and me ? It is that about subjects like this I let my ego away.

But you on the contrary, from my point of view...You seems to be proud of not being offended by this, of playing a harsh game. It reminds me of kids who want to see horror movies forbidden to the -18 to feel like adults, to smoke to feel like adults. These kids want freedom too. I am not saying that you are a kid Gladwin, it was just an example to make you understand that in my opinion there is not much satisfaction and honor to get playing FOnline instead of Hello Kitty Online.

About what you said "I HAVE PROBLEM WITH CCCP AS A FACTION, REMOVE TB NIGGERZ, REMOVE NEW CALIFORNIA CONFEDERACY. I AM OFFENDED." I will give you another example because example are good to share ideas. It reminds me of these guys who are against some types of diets in canteens. For example halal food, they say things like this : "Hey if we allow halal food, then the vegetarians are going to ask for a diet too. Then the japanese will ask sushis and everyone will ask for a particular diet"

But wait we all know that it's not true, it's just that some people can't eat food because of their religion. They must be considered.
So it's the same thing here, who really gets offended by the NCR or by the Turn based. And if you really think CCCP is offending you have the right to create a topic about it here. But sincerely who are concerned about that ?

We can write we can talk...But the final decision will be made by devs, let's see how they consider Sega_Rus feelings.

And to answer that : "So you are searching for different game. If you are being offended by some bodies and you imagination i don't think it is game for you." I am playing FOnline since almost 10 years now. Maybe you're right and I am still searching for another game :)

To conclude I am glad Gladwin that we had this discussion, it's not important if we don't agree.
But I don't respect everything, like this post by Jaws which is not contributing at all to the topic "sega rus I hope your post your post is troll". You are trolling the topic Jaws by posting without any arguments.

I don't agree with LittleBoy "OH boy, map ... map is OK, even when someone make hell map with corpses and blood everywhere."
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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2018, 01:09 »
The map has been approved by devs themselves, otherwise it would not be in game at the moment. Rules are there but very few of them are enforced. people still baserape (friends and foes alike, baserape by tagging is allowed). People insult each other daily without repercussions. People share chars and some of them are stolen and none will be the wiser because those are shared chars to start with.

Maybe this map was crated with aushwitz in mind. I kinda see it. but content is content. in a world like fallout where players are basically FORCED to take drugs and kill innocent people, i see no harm done with that one map in particular. Its a very good map for RP in general. If anything. if this map offend someone he has the choice to use it or not, delete it if he finds it offensive. Some people will find content offensive that others wont. such is the life of a content creator. you cant please everyone and anyone because, people are assholes. they will always find something to complain because to their eyes, this is offensive.

then again i might repeat myself, but in a world such as fallout, where offensive content is in every nook and crannies of this wasteland. this map fits perfectly with the theme and should be in no way, shape or form, changed to make it more PG.

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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2018, 01:26 »
Nah, it is actualy how is speak. Sometimes my raider nature take over.

We all have freedom to judge, but you said that ,,Is this map really a good thing for RP in this game ? Honestly I don't think so,, I know tons of players who thinks some maps being good other bad, for the sake of RP. Let players do their RP. I think this is good place, and good setting because with a bit of work it can easly turn in good RP location.

You would consider that, but being a creator doesn't allow you to consider every single complain, because you would not move on with another project. BUT, we are at the point where some player want private base, to being removed from the game, because he is offended by it just simply existing for others to use. It is not even public place.

Nah, i am just annoyed by never ending whining and shitting on other work. Somebody put time in making this map, somebody took time in coding it, somebody took time to test it. And one person felt offended and this whole work will go to waste.

My point with this game was simple, i like that game how it is like right now. Like it was and like i always remembered it, Harsh, unfriendly and brutal. It is basicly the only online game i play, for exactly those reasons. So it is normal i don't want it to become some sheltered 3A shit.

You are really understimating how some players can waste and devote their time in shitting on other here. CCCP is system which in my eyes in equal to the nazzis. It is getting different when somebody in your family has been killed by that system. NCC and TB niggerz was just example as nigger isn't accepted as positive word in some countries, so even easier for certain players to be offended.

Like it always is. They will do what they think.

Playing 10 years doesn't make it your game, it just show how long you sticked to it. I personaly knew guy which played CS like crazy for years, but he found his game. And he just threw away CS.

BUT TO SUM IT UP WHAT PROBLEM DO I HAVE.
I will never support just FEELING, without any proof really. It has trains, it has pit where something could burn. But that is all. It isn't like concentration camp AT ALL. IF somebody add history to this like it is made to praise nazzi and to looks like concentration camp and try to remove it from the game thus shitting on somebody work just because of his imagination I will be fully against bullshit like that. They did tons of great work with making those maps, it's looks great, propably THE BEST raider base out there.


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Re: Remove or rework Raided Trainyard map
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2018, 05:45 »
Even if only one person is offended. It is enough to say that this map is a failure in a way.
Oh man, does this line offend me.

Someone will always get offended by something, so just about everything we do is a failure to someone.

I have freedom to judge the work of the creator of this map.

We have the freedom to get offended by whatever the heck we want!

And you who are you to say that it's not the creator's problem ? If I would be the creator of this map of course I would consider that it is my problem if some people are offended.

As a creator, it would only be your problem if you care what people think about it.
If the devs are offended by the map offending a few offended people, then it's their choice whether to remove the offending offence.

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