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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 15:17 »
R.I.P [...] If you are refunding with base value as indicator and gives up 100% of caps it will be a disaster.

It will most probably be some certain % instead of base value. Final refunds will most likely be balanced out before the update happens.

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People playing /"grinding" more years will be more richer [...]

...many junk items' base values are already pretty low, like 10-40 caps and the one's with a higher value are usually also not found that often.

I've tested it for some of Dequ's base and the total amount paid for around 560 junk items was "just" about 50k (and that was with the base values still, which will be altered most probably).

What about shopkeepers?

And the second question - what about the items in containers? I ask for it, because you didn't clearly explain - you did about items on the ground.

Shopkeepers won't be affected, just bases and tents. Items in containers will also be stacked or deleted.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2018, 15:31 »
I see Balthasar responded already. I'll throw this message out anyway.

Will the items in shop be changed for caps?

IT WILL AFFECT BASES AND TENTS ONLY. No shopkeepers, No dungeons. No anything else than BASES and TENTS.

Why not WIPE it instead?

Multiple reasons that won't be repeated 20 times. Honestly, we need a plugin that blocks from sending a message with that word and redirects to explanations.

I think at first you should delete all implants that Wesan drop while was drunked(very old affair, but still users use these implants) and flares on Sofehard's Younktown shopkeeper(user promoted with flares by devs) after that You can try some big changes :)

Why one shopkeeper in Junktown is "cheated" over others (more visibility)
Stop making fake drama please.

R.I.P In game economy. This will cause a shitload of money to be printed into system.

Bottlecaps that will be paid for junk are a 5.93% of all bottlecaps on the server, (120kk to be precise - Well you could buy 14~ apas for all years long junk clutter, if it would be your gain only. There are 128 apas on the server right now. Sheesh I have to talk in apa numbers now.) including long abandoned bases and tents. If we exclude abandoned bases and tents (forgotten, banned, people no longer playing) You can at least cut this value to 1/3.

For a small test we cleaned up this base:
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From junk items of heavy khan farming. The result was 50 thousand caps, you can't expect a market crash from that.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2018, 16:34 »
Printing free money is never good for the system altough I understand that the amount is not as scary as main post suggested it and I overreacted. Still in the future it seems like good idea to avoid direct refunds like this and instead do something nice like increased spawn chance for goods in dungeons.
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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2018, 18:36 »
Its not like printing new money. Its converting items into caps. Thats big difference.
It could be solved by adding item collector buying all that shit and ppl would say "wow, such a nice feature, finally Im gonna sell all that crap", but in current situation direct refund is far better and faster solution.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2018, 19:25 »
so 50k caps for Dequ week farm (junk only)  ;D , servers is online without wipe 4years?

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2018, 19:29 »
so 50k caps for Dequ week farm (junk only)  ;D , servers is online without wipe 4years?

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2018, 21:31 »
I think u forget some misc:
Small Dusty Box Of Some Sort
Sack

And some questions:
Pre-War Relicts  will be refunded according to the base price or to the price you would get if sold to collector?
Because price is different.
https://wiki.fonline2.com/Category:Miscellaneous#Pre-War_Relicts

Gamma Gulp Beer and Roentgen Rum use for crafting Rad-X and RadAway. But why u dont delete Torn Paper, Tobacco and Fruit?
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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2018, 22:14 »
Why not grab all the junk and throw it in a base container so it nolonger takes server memory? It shouldnt take memory if the caps you're replacing them with are about 20x the quantity?

Some items like Key rings do not stack but can easily be made to stack.

Eitherway, both methods work only one is less dramatic although it takes more work. Yikes.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2018, 22:18 by Alaestor »

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2018, 00:11 »
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    Note: These are NOT THE GLOW KEYCARDS
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    Note: Glow cards will be refunded according to the price you would get if sold to BoS guy.
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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2018, 03:18 »
Radscorpion tails will be removed...
U killed the game by this update.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2018, 09:47 »
I think u forget some misc:
Small Dusty Box Of Some Sort
Sack


Pre-War Relicts  will be refunded according to the base price or to the price you would get if sold to collector?


Gamma Gulp Beer and Roentgen Rum use for crafting Rad-X and RadAway. But why u dont delete Torn Paper, Tobacco and Fruit?
Those 2 items are in my new list too. Thanks for the info though.

They will be refunded by the collector prices just like you would give it to the collectors.

Simple answer, amount on the server, a lot of people used alcohol to decorate bases and there are 2000+ stacks of gamma gulp itself on the server, seeing how you can simply buy this alcohol it's not a problem for people to use caps to rebuy if necessary, tobacco and torn paper would have to be farmed.

Why not grab all the junk and throw it in a base container so it nolonger takes server memory? It shouldnt take memory if the caps you're replacing them with are about 20x the quantity?

Some items like Key rings do not stack but can easily be made to stack.

Eitherway, both methods work only one is less dramatic although it takes more work. Yikes.
Items in the container still take memory.
To simply explain.
2 piles of caps are 2 items, no matter the count. Lowering amount of items saves memory.

1 bottle caps in a pile is 1 item AND 12519258120948102 bottle caps in a pile is 1 item too.

By changing all those items from the list to caps and putting them on a single pile in a base, we change them all to 1 item per base, no matter the number of caps.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2018, 09:49 »
You delete my fuzzy painting and I will hunt you all down  >:(

jk, good update.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2018, 14:23 »
What was the point gathering stuff from lockers and puting it in to one? I thought you gona put stuff from floor and put it in lockers so WTF?
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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2018, 15:13 »
Why one shopkeeper in Junktown is "cheated" over others (more visibility)
Stop making fake drama please.
I did read the topic you linked, I also did read a topic, this was based upon. Topic: killed my dealer in Junktown

It looks like the shopkeeper was abused in 2016 by Superstims. And it was solved by surrounding him by tree stumps.
In the thread you yourself linked you did wrote: "I'll give godmode to all shopkeepers after update." so I ask: "are the tree stumps still needed?"

It has been over 2 years now. You should let that shopkeeper go free, being in thee stump jail is surely not fun, even for NPCs.

OR give us a way to get tree stumps, so we can do the same to other shopkeepers ;)
(I remember that it was possible to loot trees from NPC farmers or something similar.)

P.S.: Nice call with the junk items. But maybe you could just put crafting resources into lockers. It would still be like 4 items(gama, rentgen,..., ...), but surely much better than having 999+ Gama gulps laying on the floor.

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Re: Pre Announcement of Maintenance incoming on 21.10.
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2018, 15:37 »
Why one shopkeeper in Junktown is "cheated" over others (more visibility)
Stop making fake drama please.
I did read the topic you linked, I also did read a topic, this was based upon. Topic: killed my dealer in Junktown

It looks like the shopkeeper was abused in 2016 by Superstims. And it was solved by surrounding him by tree stumps.
In the thread you yourself linked you did wrote: "I'll give godmode to all shopkeepers after update." so I ask: "are the tree stumps still needed?"

It has been over 2 years now. You should let that shopkeeper go free, being in thee stump jail is surely not fun, even for NPCs.

OR give us a way to get tree stumps, so we can do the same to other shopkeepers ;)
(I remember that it was possible to loot trees from NPC farmers or something similar.)

P.S.: Nice call with the junk items. But maybe you could just put crafting resources into lockers. It would still be like 4 items(gama, rentgen,..., ...), but surely much better than having 999+ Gama gulps laying on the floor.

P.P.S.: Thanks for keeping the wasteland alive, it was a nice surprise, when I came back after 3 years.



If they would  make bottomless lockers, there would be no need to keep stuff on the floor
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