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Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« on: June 06, 2014, 00:08 »
REPORT 19.10.2254 - member of militia - Ally
Today, the duty was hard and for me even disapointing.

Summary of important events:
-Unofficial diplomacy meeting between NCR and Enclave representatives
-2 new recruts killed fellow guard

Today, diplmatic meeting between Tracy Baker and Captain Sony happened inside of our town. Since our diplomacy was always HOSTILE with Enclave i considered every active guard to atack enemy on sight, while i was confused, Tracy informed me its diplomacy meeting so i thought probably i shouldnt act in these circumstances. But when i asked member of hostile faction, what is purpose of his presence in our town, he arrogantly responded he will not talk to me. My only proper reaction could be slay intruder ofc. Still thinking why diplomat would say anything like that.

Pre and after diplomacy board:
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Unofficial diplomacy meeting intitiated
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Here i killed captain of enclave after his arogant respond - status was still hostile! - meeting was unofficial!
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I was killed imediately after, by own newly recruted guard Lust
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After reentering town i was killed by another newly recruited guard Goliash, includes laughing on my corpse!
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Iam requesting to expel this kind of guards, which are available only for own interest, they are in service for few days and alredy significantly broke couple of laws.

Guards: Lust and Goliash violated codex of republic, i  call them to responsibility to resign or being expeled.


Codex was violated in these 2 points:
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All of us will always respect citizens rights, noone will shoot at will, noone will harm our guards.

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All of us respect law and use power only for enforce it, not for personal revenge.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 21:20 by TopHat Orange »

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 08:47 »
I've been there and saw that...

The only one who has been raging was Ally (GlowTrotter).

GT - you should calm down a little bit, you talk shit, trying to excuse yourself and blame others.

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 08:51 »
As i see it Sony come alone for negotiation whit leader of ncr
, didnt act hostile and he was outnumbered.He did not obligate to answer noone while leader is there, Tracy.
U take law in y hand whitout propef reason gt and u die how u deserve.
What mean OOC?

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 12:08 »
What mean OOC?

"Out of character"

Wannabe role-players like to use it on forum.

I just noticed this:

i was killed by another newly recruited guard Goliash, includes laughing on my corpse!

"LULZ. #YOLO" in the log ;D hahahaha

You make an alt with 160hp and then you're butthurt when you go down after one burst.
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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 15:25 »
As i see it Sony come alone for negotiation whit leader of ncr
, didnt act hostile and he was outnumbered.He did not obligate to answer noone while leader is there, Tracy.
U take law in y hand whitout propef reason gt and u die how u deserve.
What mean OOC?

there isnt evidence in this one screen, but mentioned "diplomat" tried to livel me in front of my mates, called me "shoe cleaner", what is sign of disrespect towards his host. Maybe hes coming from some little village where people barks each other, but we are Republic of New California.

I am giving codex to your attention, everybody please reread it. I(and all other guards) could (had to) start acting right away, without single question, thats obligatory of guards.

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Codex of NCR Army


Citizens of free republic new california decided to give us power and we will pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of NCR.


We are the soldiers of republic and we will never betray our homeland.
 
None of us will never make any relations with enemies, none of us will never let them set foot freely to our land.

We live and die in its name.
 
Soldiers of republic will always do its best to round up every enemy, traitor and criminal by using lethal force.

We serve to republic, to citizens.
 
All of us will always respect citizens rights, noone will shoot at will, noone will harm our guards.

We represent republic.
 
All of us respect law and use power only for enforce it, not for personal revenge.
 
We build better tomorrow.
 
Soldiers will never steal but always respect prsonal property of all citizens and soldiers.

Iam opened to opinions of all, but people who has seen NCR just from behind of their scope, while shooting guards, aren't realy reliable to form public opinion in NCR. 80% of posts here are trashtalk, while you are forcing me to repeat myself once again: "I am not GlowTrocter, Glavethrower, Graveteller or whatever else possible meaning of abbreviation GT, neither i am GT."

I can cleary remember times when Captain Jack did all of current misconducts. Please dont let history repeat!

Please respect this thread, its in roleplaying subsection of forums, if you have realy not any comentary to mentioned events, try to evade spam and offtopic.

PS: There isn't real jurisdiction in NCR and all decisions are driven by 1 or 2 individuals. I am apealing to all participating to not generate noise based on hate or vengeance, instead try to produce something new if you are able to :)


EDIT: updating evidence, where recruit Lust again atacked and killed me while guarding town.
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« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 15:38 by Ally »

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 15:40 »
I will respond on-topic.

Your description of events admits the following:

-you were told by superior officer the enclave soliders were there for a diplomatic meeting

-you murdered their diplomat, because he wouldnt talk to you (probably because he was talking to a high-ranking member of ncr, and you are a low-ranking foot soldier

-after you murder the diplomat for no reason during the meeting, your fellow soliders shot you. That seems justified given you just acted like psycho during meeting and killed their diplomat, possibly ruining any chance of future diplomacy between the two groups.

Your post is not accusation, it's confession :)

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 16:14 »
Aren't Capt. Sony and Goliash same dude ? As far as I know, they are 2 different characters of same man.

« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 16:17 by Fóxtrot »
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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 16:26 »
I will respond on-topic.

Your description of events admits the following:

-you were told by superior officer the enclave soliders were there for a diplomatic meeting

-you murdered their diplomat, because he wouldnt talk to you (probably because he was talking to a high-ranking member of ncr, and you are a low-ranking foot soldier

-after you murder the diplomat for no reason during the meeting, your fellow soliders shot you. That seems justified given you just acted like psycho during meeting and killed their diplomat, possibly ruining any chance of future diplomacy between the two groups.

Your post is not accusation, it's confession :)

Thank you i appreciate this attitude.

I can say that all details aren't obvious from few screens, if you want to know complete story, i may try reproduce it.
When Sony entered town, there was no reaction on guards, no questions, no shooting. I tried to alarm tracy after short pause, she replied hes diplomat. Then Crazy88 member entered, still no action of guard.

After few minutes of shouting SHOOT ENEMY! 2 of guards helped me to take down c88 intruder. Tracy apreared to be somehow confused of all hapenings standing around. While Sony wasnt talking to anyone, i came to him and tried to learn reason of his visit. Disregard and disrespect, not providing information what he as ENEMY is doing there should make me no atacking him? The rest of story is known, i think...

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None of us will never make any relations with enemies, none of us will never let them set foot freely to our land.

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Aren't Capt. Sony and Goliash same dude ? As far as I know, they are 2 different characters of same man.

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All of us respect law and use power only for enforce it, not for personal revenge.
Not just violating NCR Codex, but also violating generals rules of game...
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 16:32 by Ally »

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 21:10 »
Soldier Ally will not be discharged
Ally followed all army instructions to protect Republic
bud sadly without inteligence data
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 21:15 by Tracy Baker »

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 02:36 »
Tracy, this thread wasnt proposal to discharge Ally, this thread was proposal to discharge Lust and Goliash.

I have witnessed very nice efforts of Ally to rationalize problem in IRC.
uncut IRC log
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01:25:04
== kimble [~4eb456dd@0x11cf5f59-979608752X.forestnet.org] has joined
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ally
allright
01:25:11
kimble
hii
01:25:15
ally
hi kimble
01:25:51
we was talking with kimble about anforcing codex
01:25:55
enforcing
01:26:15
also tracy allwed kimble to decide certain incident
01:26:29
now the question is
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did player Lust violated codex or not?
01:27:01
we have discused all evidence and what not
01:27:11
koniko can you advocate for yourself?
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Koniko
No.
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ally
allright
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Koniko
I can advocate with steel.
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ally
next step...
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koniko pleaded guilt
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question 2
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should be Lust punished, if so, how?
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and propositions?
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any?
01:28:22
Koniko
I will punish you.
01:28:25
Hard spank in the ass
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on both chars ok ?
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ally
kimble
01:29:07
whats your opinion about killing fellow guard while guarding town
01:29:40
how would you prevent agresor to repeat his misbehaviour?
01:30:41
Feather
the fak is going on here?^^
01:31:58
* ally slaps kimble around a bit with a large trout
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kimble
an ordinary ncr day
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Feather
why here?
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Koniko
Dunno
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ally
kimble
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could you answer the question?
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bar
ally: here is alphas entry from list
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"Penalty: Watch at all times and you may take hostile actions when necessary."
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== ally [~ally@x-3441.clients.kiwiirc.com] has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
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bar
ah rage
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Koniko
GlowTrotter also leave.
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kimble
watch at all times
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not kill on sight
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== ally [~ally@x-3447.clients.kiwiirc.com] has joined
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ally
sorry connection
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bar
"Penalty: Watch at all times and you may take hostile actions when necessary."
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Koniko
has quit
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This is not connection error.
01:33:55
bar
was alpha standing there doing nothing a time when its necesary?
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Koniko
IRC Has specific mesages incase of internet problems.
01:34:08
bar
yes this is true
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Koniko
Which are given by server.
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and also delay in packets.
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GlowTrotter
so where we would stoped?
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Koniko
How couldnt i see it
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ally is same ip as feather
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bar
ally [~ally@x-3447.clients.kiwiirc.com]
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Koniko
lulz noc just told me it
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on help channel
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bar
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Koniko
Forestnet administration ftw
01:35:09
kimble
glow can u answer this
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bar
lol
01:35:14
nice try feather
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Feather
interesting
01:35:23
bar
you cant save GT now!
01:35:29
if you really are feather...
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Feather
i am.
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name's registered
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bar
well thats just a matter of sharing password
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Feather
and i dont see glowtrotter or ally in my appartment
01:36:00
bar
i want photo of you holding todays newspaper
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kimble
glowtrotter can u answer this please
01:36:12
Feather
but i dont read newspaper
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bar
you dont have to read it!
01:36:27
just hold it right-side-up and toward the camera
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Feather
so i dont buy it as well
01:36:30
bar
oh
01:36:34
Feather
^^,
01:36:37
bar
i can send some money if necessary
01:36:42
Feather
yesh plees
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need caps
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ally
okay seems situation in ncr is clarified
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bar
i thought they switchd from caps to euros in deustcheland
01:37:17
ally
lets continue
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Feather
yeah but we sqwitched back
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Feather
euro sucks
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good old deutsch caps
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deutsche*
01:38:07
bar
does germany still use
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or is euro taken over
01:38:24
Feather
We have the euro.
01:38:38
bar
sux
01:38:50
Feather
oh well it's ok.
01:39:03
bar
now your currecny value not based only on DE
01:39:20
some polish jerk ruin stockmarket and you feel the consequences!
01:39:45
Feather
^^,
01:39:53
why polish? :D
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bar
i dunno
01:40:10
i feel like if euro economy will be destroyed by human error, it probably will be polish dude
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Feather
more like greece, italian or spanish idiot maybe
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hehe
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bar
lol
01:40:39
Feather
spain is really fucked right now
01:40:54
bar
how come
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Feather
80% unemployment with young ppl
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bar
wow
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01:41:00
Feather
yeah
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bar
they taking too many siesta
01:41:23
Feather
that's mexico
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^^,
01:41:29
bar
oh r
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they eaying too much paella
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;>
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Feather
they have no real business there i think
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but i just know what my uncle told me
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weird.
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some bug
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in my window it looks like bar said the last lines i said
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maybe i download real client after all
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bar
;x
01:44:04
maybe i am you
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dual log
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Feather
creepy
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i wish i could op this channel
01:45:15
stupid old mumble info
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ally
KONIKO:
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how would you prevent me to kill you in NCR ?
01:45:49
what would yuo do to disable my ability to kill you
01:45:56
Feather
...
01:45:59
Koniko
your already disabled by life.
01:46:16
ally
allright
01:46:22
you have no idea how to do that
01:46:30
kimble has no proposition aswell
01:46:46
i propose to expel Lust from faction
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kimble what do you think?
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which of propsed punishments you vote for?
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Feather
you guys are still in ncr now?
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Koniko
I dont know if enclave is hostile or not.
01:47:59
Feather
could someone tell me if vaultloner shows up please?
01:48:12
Koniko
k
01:48:30
Feather
thaanks.
01:48:53
* ally slaps kimble around a bit with a large trout
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ally
kimble?
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VaultDweller
Whats up guys
01:50:43
ally
kimble?
01:51:34
kimble
sorry i was afk
01:51:45
ally
no problem
01:51:57
we are at the point where we choose one of proposed punishments
01:51:58
kimble
why dont we sue wesan for emotional distress?
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for his last posts
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ally
please finish this fast
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which punishment you vote for
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kimble
ummm
01:52:49
koniko
01:52:55
ally
you need name it
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kimble
02:47] <Koniko> I dont know if enclave is hostile or not
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maybe he did cause of this?
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ally
how long is he in NCR?
01:53:53
definetly more than 2 weeks
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even if just 1 day
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he has to know own obligations before he can use privilegies
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kimble
i have no idea
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ally
he is responsible for acts, not knowing isnt excuse
01:54:59
bar
yes ally, just like when you murder alpha
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ally
i did mistake obviously
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you know what?
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i owe to aplha to say sorry and reparate for his loses
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but nobody has to ask me
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bar
you owe a few people an apology
01:55:44
kimble
so
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ally
yes lets finisht this shit
01:56:16
do you agree lust is fully responsible for his acts?
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kimble
if lust says sorry, will u forgive him?
01:56:53
ally
its has to be very big to work like that
01:57:01
bar
abel is entering NCR to pay 50k reparations for removal from KOS list, as outlined in the bulletin board
01:57:04
ally
its wasnt just coincidence
01:57:08
bar
do not shoot him
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ally
you ll have to wait for tracy
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i do not accept your money
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i ll take my responsibility for what i did to aplha
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but its not subject now
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do you agree lust is fully responsible for his acts?
01:58:34
kimble?
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kimble
what is he saying?
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koniko?
02:00:09
he said <Koniko> I dont know if enclave is hostile or not
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so
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since we are newbie friendly faction
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i hope you will forgive him for this time
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ally
i can forgive once
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but not twice
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kimble
if he does the same thing ill force to tracy to kick him
02:00:59
ally
and this happened twice in 2 days
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thats what iam talking about
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kimble
koniko read these please and dont kill ally again
02:02:56
ally
kimble
02:03:11
kimble
yes
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ally
we cant change subject ot benefit somebody
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this could happen yesterday
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if solved right away
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but basicaly what you are saying is
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bar
jesus christ almighty
02:03:47
ally
that if gona kill somebody
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bar
are you STILL going on about this?
02:03:56
ally
it will not matter
02:03:59
bar
what is it? 19 hours NON STOP now?
02:04:46
ally
i dont like idea letting him be just like that
02:04:55
okay iam asking again
02:05:06
propose other kind of punishment
02:05:16
kimble, koniko?
02:06:37
ally
there is only proposition to expel him right now, if you ll not bring any other idea, we will have to choose this one
02:08:23
ally
do you need time to think about it?
02:08:29
i can give 5 minutes brake
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agreed?
02:09:20
brb in 5 minutes
02:10:17
kimble
didnt you agree with this? [03:01] <ally> thats what iam talking about
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ok
02:10:41
bar
LOL this is intense
02:11:15
kimble
if lust kills ally he will be discharged
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02:11:54
kimble
same thing if ally kills any tg member on sight he will be discharged too
02:11:58
and
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tell abel
02:12:43
he should write something about those 50k caps in that thread
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goodnight, see you later
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ally
iam back
02:18:56
GlowTrotter
kimble flee?
02:19:48
well
02:20:29
giving 3rd chance without any punishment isnt way to go
02:21:21
then iam forced to proceed forum thread
02:22:55
GlowTrotter
guys i hoped ally will make you think
02:23:46
ally
i tried but kimble left ncr
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iam off disapointed
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GlowTrotter
...
02:26:07
bar
LOL

I believe this was the very good example how your codex could gain real value. While ally was demanding to expel agresor, kimble asked to forgive him and give him last chance (Koniko did not respond at all). Both were extremes of some kind, but since role of advocate was taken by kimble, moderator or some kind of judge was missing, thus no consensus was achieved.

Now its seems its Tracy's turn again
« Last Edit: June 07, 2014, 02:39 by GlowTrotter »
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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 02:47 »
The way I see it, Ally is damn lucky he didn't get expelled himself. I'd be satisfied with Tracy's verdict if I were in his place.

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 05:34 »
Gosh, next time you post a log, PLEASE do some formatting. That stuff is unreadable.

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Re: Official proposal to exclude 2 new recruts
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 01:53 »
Locked; Too much derailing, not relevant to the original poster. To continue whatever, post it in a different forum / take it to PM.
Unlocked; Cleaned up posts that wasn't relevant to the main idea of this thread. It is now open to discuss about the issue about the two soldiers killing Ally, unless it was already solved.
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